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Google's big idea against extremism needs to learn the important maxim of political violence: "no justice, no peace"?

Google Ideas, Google's think-and-do-tank, wants to combat violent extremism by having extremists and policy makers learn from those who have renounced violence. All fine until you get to the detail: the program is to understand violence as a result of psychological need rather than taking seriousl

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At  the end of June, Google Ideas, a new thinktank set up by Google, hosted  the Summit Against Violent Extremism in Dublin. The event was slick,  and it was clear that a great deal of time, effort and money had been  expended in making the event look and feel like a glamorous Hollywood  operation – and this came as no shock. The event included the great and  the good from the Council for Foreign Relations and the Tribeca Film  Festival – both of which co-sponsored the event. In the run up to the  event itself, participants were given links to a series of youtube clips  which featured individuals such as Maajid Nawaz, of the Quilliam  Foundation, and TJ Leyden, of Hope2Hate.


The  event was based on the principle that to combat violent extremism (a  term not entirely defined) required a coming together of ‘formers’ (that  is, ostensibly violent extremists, but also a category that included  former members of criminal gangs), survivors (that is survivors of  violent extremism) and some associated others (of which Robert Lambert and I as co-directors of the European Muslim Research Centre at the University of Exeter were two).  The entire event was predicated on the belief that only those who had  once practiced violence, and subsequently renounced it, had the ability  and credibility to convince others that they too should renounce this  violence. The event itself (much of which can be viewed here http://www.youtube.com/user/formers)  took place on a stage of massive proportions, and the audience of some  2-300 looked at two massive video screens, as ‘formers’ and ‘survivors’  took turns, four or five at a time, to recount their stories of how they  got involved in violence, and how this violence devastated their lives.

So  far so good. There is much to be commended in an approach that brings  together those who have deployed violence with those whose lives they  have scarred forever – a search for meaningful catharsis and transition  from a violent extremist world to a ... non-violent moderate one? Ok, so  perhaps Google had some ulterior motives here – youtube has become  associated (falsely) with ‘radicalisation’ into terrorism,  and an event which demonstrated Google as being a good corporate  citizen might be good business tactics as well as morally right – but  neither of these have to be mutually exclusive. The event was led by Jared Cohen, who Evgeny Morozov identifies as one of the key proponents  of a new US Policy of ‘21st  Century Statecraft’, and who has spent the past several years in the US  Government and Google trying to flesh out what ‘democracy promotion’  means in technological practice. The attendance of Whitehouse officials and key American journalists  then made even more sense. However, it would be unfair and cynical to  suggest that Google and/or Cohen were simply exploiting the Summit to  score public relations and diplomacy points. There is little doubt that  they thought they were doing the right thing in staging the event.

The  problem is that the event was not constructive, helpful or progressive.  I began to feel increasingly uncomfortable as the true purpose of the  summit became clear over the course of the first day. Different panels,  organised chat show style with a moderator and three or four speakers  sat in cream white armchairs, talked about the fact that they didn’t get  enough love from their fathers, and so turned to the streets to become  skinheads and gang members; that an overly repressive Catholic  upbringing led them to feel that they wanted to be rebellious, and that  in gang membership they found (albeit  perverse) social and emotional  support that a decrepit society around them had failed to provide.

We  never, however, heard this story from the ‘former’ Islamic Violent  Extremists, and/or Islamic extremists. In fact, the organisers of the  event were so careful to choose former gang members and skinheads who  had participated in past violence, but chose not to require a definition  of violence for Islamic extremism. While there were some speakers who  were in fact former members of Al Qaeda as well as individuals who had  fought alongside Al-Shabbab in Somaila, there were all those whose  credentials in Islamic violent extremism were less robust. One such  individual, Maajid Nawaz, who is a former member of Hizb ut Tahrir, and  was an Amnesty  International Prisoner of Conscience when jailed for  four years in Egypt, nimbly insisted that while he had never been  violent, and that Hizb Ut Tahrir itself was not violent, it has the  institutional capacity to call for coup d’états against non-Islamic  Governments in Islamic states at some point in the distant future, and  therefore is violent extremist. This tangled logic leads one to wonder  if Mr. Nawaz now agrees with his former colleague Ed Husein about the  proscription of Hizb Ut Tahrir in the UK?

Regardless,  the rationale behind the conflation of extremism and violence in the  case of Islamic extremism became clearer as the event unfolded. Google’s  SAVE event represented a deliberate attempt to conflate gang violence  and neo-Nazi skinhead violence with Islamically inspired violence – as  though because they all included the word violence, they were the same  phenomenon.

As Lambert and I both sat through the first day of the  Summit, we became increasingly concerned about a strategy that seemed to  focus on denuding political violence of its political context. By  sticking 'formers' - skinheads, gang members and chosen (safe) 'Islamic  Extremists' (the majority of whom had never participated in any form of  violence) on the same stage, and to claim that this violence is only a  result of a search for camaraderie and identity; to deny any  authenticity to ideas of national liberation, struggle in the face of  oppressive power, and/or a sense that sometimes violence is, while  hateful, perceived as the only viable option in some struggles, seemed  more like a radical defence of the status quo rather than a deeper  search for answers to violence. In fact, it seemed that to qualify as a  former, you not only had to renounce violence, but in addition any idea  that had underpinned the violence in the first place.

To  deny a politics of violence could make sense if you were talking  exclusively about criminal violence (i.e. an inner city gang fighting  over drug dealing territory) though some would say that even this  violence is not apolitical. It might even make sense if you seek to  delegitimize the crass and evil ideology that underpins a neo-Nazi white  supremacist outlook – though even here the political questions are  thrust into the fore, what appeals about this ideology amongst its  followers –why did they choose this specific path and not another? But  to naively proclaim that Islamically inspired political violence is a  search for identity, fatherly love, and camaraderie is as dangerous as  it is ignorant.

Intriguingly, there was no mention over the course of  the summit of the one conflict that often unites Muslim perspectives, no  matter ethnicity, sectarian orientation, class, race, gender etc:  Israel-Palestine. So we were left with a series of burning questions,  such as: are Palestinians only involved in violence because they lacked  the love of their fathers or because they were looking for camaraderie,  or because they lack an identity? Was global Muslim concern about mass  genocide and rape in Bosnia and Chechnya morally equivalent to skinhead  belief in white supremacy? Is protection of drug dealing turf that lays  behind gang culture the same as a concern about the justness of the  Western invasion of Iraq? And what about Libyan 'rebels' who currently  seek to overthrow the remnants of the Qaddafi regime?

None of this is to  deny the terrible nature of completely misguided and totally wrong and  deviant Islamically inspired violence that may have resulted from such  inspiration – the immoral and needless killing and injuring of innocents  through a mistaken strategy based on real concern. But does that mean  that initial concerns, such as the cruel oppression and suffering of  many Palestinians, the massacre of thousands of Bosnian Muslims, or the  Russians deployment of the harshest of military tactics against civilian  populations were in and of itself, wrong? Does 21st  Century Statecraft really mean Western neo-imperialist thought control  that proclaims, in the face of terrible iniquities and injustices, that  might is right and challenge to the status quo is wrong?

Attendees  at the Summit included former members of armed black South African  groups, who while regretful for the violence they deployed in the face  of the brutal, repressive, immoral and despotic apartheid regime, saw no  illegitimacy in their cause, and explicitly recognised that terrorist  violence was a specific tool deployed desperately as the only viable  tactic in asymmetric conflict rather than a millenarian pursuit of  friendship and manhood. Furthermore, these individuals pointed out that  the state deployed this same tactic against them and the horrifically  oppressed and destitute blacks that they were defending. I wonder, would  Nelson Mandela, who has never renounced the founding or activities of  Umkhonto we Sizwe, the violent and armed wing of the ANC, have been  defined by this Summit as a current or a former violent extremist?

In fact, apparently the prism of violent extremism and 21st  Century Statecraft seem to imply that the state can do no wrong.  Despite the real testimony of individuals such as the aforementioned  South African who suffered cruelly at the hands of the Apartheid regime,  formers were only those who renounced the tactics and challenges to  existing status quos. Instead of 'former' state violent extremists being  up there, the conference had a panel entitled "Leveraging Formers and  Turning the Tide Against Violent Extremism" – almost pitched as a ‘best  practice’ using Colombia as an example of how to turn insurgents against  their cause and use them to undermine persistent challenges to an  incumbent regime. The panel was moderated by former President Alvaro  Uribe who explicitly proclaimed during his panel that he ended the  Colombian Civil War by 'leveraging' formers against conflict. Uribe is a  seemingly controversial choice for this, as he was accused of having at  least second level (and familial) links with right-wing militias and  narco-traffickers and of leading a government which perpetrated  widespread abuses of human rights by organisations such as Amnesty  International and Human Rights Watch. Yet Uribe wasn't described as a  former.

One  would think, as well, that the Dublin location for the event would  provide a perfect launching pad into discussing and analysing the  political roles that can be played by individuals such as Martin  McGuiness and Gerry Adams, or even by individuals such as Gusty Spence  and the late David Ervine. These four individuals, accused, in some  cases convicted, and in all cases interned by the British State, were  (and continue to be) key voices and leaders in the transformation of the  conflict in Northern Ireland from one which was predicated on  ‘terrorist’ violence to one which is inherently non-violent and  political. These four individuals never renounced their cause, though  they may deeply regret the past effects of their violent tactics. Were  they counted as Google formers? Perhaps that’s why while survivors of  the Troubles were invited, individuals such as those mentioned above  were not. In fact, the only representative of Irish Republicanism  speaking at the entire event was a former member of the ‘Official IRA’,  and someone who had throughout the 1990’s (and ultimately incorrectly)  challenged the moral capacity of Republicans and Loyalists to come  together to leave violence and enter politics through the Good Friday  Agreement.

So  it was slightly mindboggling how SAVE could take in Ireland place  without even stopping to consider the fundamental lesson of a  transformed Northern Ireland: how not listening to grievance directly  led to 30 years of violent conflict. Peace in Northern Ireland was only  transformed when Government and actors listened to each other - and  sought mutually painful political accommodation of the other’s  substantive political concern. However, the premise of the Summit was  ultimately antithetical to the Good Friday process - because there was  an implicit denial that there could be political rationales behind such  violence.

SAVE  could have been about using technology to think about pursuing justice  without violence – something which Google, along with Facebook and  Twitter is uniquely placed to comment on and enable. Afterall, this was  the early lesson of the Arab Spring - the power of civil disobedience to  challenge despotism and Western backed derogation from human rights– of  being extremely  angry with repression and doing something about it. Western support for  the counter-revolution, in Tunisia and Egypt, literally encouraging  forces of the ancien regime  to delay and block political reform in the name of stability, are now  in the ascendant – blocking those whose love of democracy is extreme  enough to demand real constitutional reform and free elections today,  rather than accepting empty promises for tomorrow. How long should  people in those countries accept these fetid remnants of corruption and  despotism? Or would a movement that sought to pursue democracy through  active political disobedience which uses violence as a tactic against a  repressive state also only be about a violent extremism based on lack of  fatherly love?

Ultimately,  I explicitly abhor violence, and want to do everything I can to stop it  - but ultimately I was reminded of the tension between Malcolm X and  the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. In the Oxford Union Debates of December  1964, Malcolm X said:

I  don't believe in any form of unjustified extremism! But when a man is  exercising extremism — a human being is exercising extremism — in  defense of liberty for human beings it's no vice, and when one is  moderate in the pursuit of justice for human beings I say he is a  sinner.


The  quote, coming after Malcolm X had left the Nation of Islam, is  indicative of the importance and benefit of feeling immoderate in the  face of injustice. In the American media at the time, they were  portrayed as great rivals – the one a preacher of hate, racism and  violence, the other non-violence and brotherly love. Yet both were  committed to the notion, as expressed by Dr. King that: “Injustice  anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. While both Bob Lambert and  myself, have resigned from the Google Ideas network Against Violent  Extremism, I would urge them moving forward to remember the age old  adage “no justice, no peace” when considering why they want to  neutralise political rather than criminal violence.

Jonathan Githens-Mazer

Jonathan Githens-Mazer is an associate professor in ethno-politics in the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Exeter.

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